RWDG Webinar - Build Your Own Data Governance Tools - Please provide questions and comments here

Robert S Seiner

RWDG Webinar - Build Your Own Data Governance Tools - Please provide questions and comments here
RWDG Webinar - Build Your Own Data Governance Tools - Please provide questions and comments here

Robert S Seiner

RE: RWDG Webinar - Build Your Own Data Governance Tools - Please provide questions and comments here
(in response to Robert S Seiner)

Hi everybody,
Thanks for participating in todays DV webinar focused on Building Your Own Data Governance Tools. If you have questions or comments, please use this space.

Bob

Edited By:
Robert S Seiner[All DATAVERSITY Members] @ Oct 17, 2019 - 03:10 PM (America/Eastern)

Jason Matthew Hare, CIP®, CDMP®, ITIL®, APM®

RE: RWDG Webinar - Build Your Own Data Governance Tools - Please provide questions and comments here
(in response to Robert S Seiner)


Hi Robert,

Thank you for sharing your insights- big fan. Any chance there is a slide deck you can share from your presentation?

Jason M. Hare
Skype: jason_hare
+1 9193232767
@jasonmhare

Robert S Seiner

RE: RWDG Webinar - Build Your Own Data Governance Tools - Please provide questions and comments here
(in response to Jason Matthew Hare, CIP®, CDMP®, ITIL®, APM®)

If you registered for the webinar you will get a link to the slides and the actual presentation - plus links to other tools and things I share. Here is the link to register. It is not too late to register as Dataversity hasn't sent the follow-up yet. I hope that helps.

Thanks for your interest.

Bob

Ray Diaz, CBIP, CDP, CSM, ICP-ATF

RE: RWDG Webinar - Build Your Own Data Governance Tools - Please provide questions and comments here
(in response to Robert S Seiner)

Bob, thanks for the excellent presentation and the tools you provided. My question is how can a data governance program be successful if there is a good number of separate tools that need to be implemented, maintained, updated and kept in sync?

I'm asking the question because, I am seeing that medium to large organizations have a huge number of metadata assets (glossary, technical metadata, reports, systems, integrations + policies and standards...) that need to be presented in some platform where hundreds to thousands of data consumers can access the information so they obtain understanding to manage data and obtain value. This platform needs to be continually updated to keep it current so that the information is not stale. 

Without a enterprise capable Data Governance Suite or Platform, I cannot understand how organizations can implement a success program using an Office Suite, Sharepoint, a Data Quality toolset, and more cohesively.  

Your feedback is appreciated.  

Andy Perrott

RE: RWDG Webinar - Build Your Own Data Governance Tools - Please provide questions and comments here
(in response to Robert S Seiner)

Do you have an idea when the materials will be shared?

In Reply to Robert S Seiner:

If you registered for the webinar you will get a link to the slides and the actual presentation - plus links to other tools and things I share. Here is the link to register. It is not too late to register as Dataversity hasn't sent the follow-up yet. I hope that helps.

Thanks for your interest.

Bob

Jason Matthew Hare, CIP®, CDMP®, ITIL®, APM®

RWDG Webinar - Build Your Own Data Governance Tools - Please provide questions and comments here
(in response to Andy Perrott)
My thoughts exactly. Sometimes I never get a link to the webinar materials.

On Mon, Oct 21, 2019, 08:06 Andy Perrott <
[login to unmask email]> wrote:

> Do you have an idea when the materials will be shared?
>
> In Reply to Robert S Seiner:
>
> If you registered for the webinar you will get a link to the slides and
> the actual presentation - plus links to other tools and things I share. Here
> is the link to register
> http://content.dataversity.net/101719-RWDG-Webinar_Partner-Registration.html .
> It is not too late to register as Dataversity hasn't sent the follow-up
> yet. I hope that helps.
>
> Thanks for your interest.
>
> Bob
>
>
> -----End Original Message-----
>

Robert S Seiner

RE: RWDG Webinar - Build Your Own Data Governance Tools - Please provide questions and comments here
(in response to Jason Matthew Hare, CIP®, CDMP®, ITIL®, APM®)

The webinar materials will be made available within two business days of the webinar. Look for an email from Dataversity by tonight. If you have not received it by EOD, please let me know.

Jason Matthew Hare, CIP&#174;, CDMP&#174;, ITIL&#174;, APM&#174;

RWDG Webinar - Build Your Own Data Governance Tools - Please provide questions and comments here
(in response to Ray Diaz, CBIP, CDP, CSM, ICP-ATF)
This was addressed in the webinar. The organization (and this has been true
in my projects) should develop the strategy, the pillars that make up the
data governance policies and fist ask the "why" (along with a series of
problem statements on the current state) before choosing the tools. In the
webinar, orgs start out with self-made tools but at a certain point, some
software is necessary. Starting out with the software tends to create data
governance around the tool rather than the tool supporting the data
governance strategy. This is my own two cents.

*Jason M. Hare*
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jhare/
Skype: jason_hare
+1 9193232767
@jasonmhare


On Sun, Oct 20, 2019 at 7:07 PM Ray Diaz, CBIP, CDP, CSM, ICP-ATF <
[login to unmask email]> wrote:

> Bob, thanks for the excellent presentation and the tools you provided. My
> question is how can a data governance program be successful if there is a
> good number of separate tools that need to be implemented, maintained,
> updated and kept in sync?
>
> I'm asking the question because, I am seeing that medium to large
> organizations have a huge number of metadata assets (glossary, technical
> metadata, reports, systems, integrations + policies and standards...) that
> need to be presented in some platform where hundreds to thousands of data
> consumers can access the information so they obtain understanding to manage
> data and obtain value. This platform needs to be continually updated to
> keep it current so that the information is not stale.
>
> Without a enterprise capable Data Governance Suite or Platform, I cannot
> understand how organizations can implement a success program using an
> Office Suite, Sharepoint, a Data Quality toolset, and more cohesively.
>
> Your feedback is appreciated.
>
> -----End Original Message-----
>

Ray Diaz, CBIP, CDP, CSM, ICP-ATF

RE: RWDG Webinar - Build Your Own Data Governance Tools - Please provide questions and comments here
(in response to Jason Matthew Hare, CIP®, CDMP®, ITIL®, APM®)

Thanks for your feedback and I understand, but going through the hard work to create the data assets inventory, without a place to manage, curate, and provide reasonable consumer access does not allow the ability to create the processes to execute the data management practices of which the Governance program should be implemented to manage. 

If you attempt a Data Governance 2.0 bottom up program I struggle to see how a very small team can get traction with working with the assets and processes to execute without a unified toolset. I am thinking the WHAT has to be defined early with the HOW so that it can be managed in an iterative timely manner. Also you don't have to spend the time to reengineer the metadata and processes later, which can considerable. 

Anyway that's my one cent's worth. 

Jason Matthew Hare, CIP&#174;, CDMP&#174;, ITIL&#174;, APM&#174;

RWDG Webinar - Build Your Own Data Governance Tools - Please provide questions and comments here
(in response to Ray Diaz, CBIP, CDP, CSM, ICP-ATF)
Thanks, Ray and the reference to DG 2.0 is much appreciated. I am in the
middle of re-evaluating the artifacts I share with my clients. The "why" is
still, to me, the largest part of the conversation. This is especially true
when precious DG attempts have floundered and we find that the basic
foundational tenets were not defined. I agree that tools are important.
Anecdotally, I find that when an org purchased a tool first they tend to
use that tool's easiest path to create something rather than think through
the "what' of DG which goes straight back to "why". I enjoy talking with my
fellow DG folk in this community. Looking forward to many more
conversations.

*Jason M. Hare*
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jhare/
Skype: jason_hare
+1 9193232767
@jasonmhare


On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 10:07 AM Ray Diaz, CBIP, CDP, CSM, ICP-ATF <
[login to unmask email]> wrote:

> Thanks for your feedback and I understand, but going through the hard work
> to create the data assets inventory, without a place to manage, curate, and
> provide reasonable consumer access does not allow the ability to create
> the processes to execute the data management practices of which the
> Governance program should be implemented to manage.
>
> If you attempt a Data Governance 2.0 bottom up program I struggle to see
> how a very small team can get traction with working with the assets and
> processes to execute without a unified toolset. I am thinking the WHAT has
> to be defined early with the HOW so that it can be managed in an iterative
> timely manner. Also you don't have to spend the time to reengineer the
> metadata and processes later, which can considerable.
>
> Anyway that's my one cent's worth.
>
> -----End Original Message-----
>

Joe Kirby

RE: RWDG Webinar - Build Your Own Data Governance Tools - Please provide questions and comments here
(in response to Jason Matthew Hare, CIP®, CDMP®, ITIL®, APM®)

I'm anxiously awaiting the email that has the tools available to look at more closely. I am part of a small organization and the non-invasive approach is hopefully the key to our success. We tried a tool several years ago, but we didn't really answer the 'why' and the tool was too complicated for our maturity level Defining what you really need before investing in tools seems to have the greatest chance for success. This has been much more challenging that I anticipated. Having a quality data governance process will immensely help our organization, but getting people that are swamped with work to step back and look at how it will benefit us is daunting. This is where the non-invasive approach with simple tools can help change the culture. 

Jason Matthew Hare, CIP&#174;, CDMP&#174;, ITIL&#174;, APM&#174;

RWDG Webinar - Build Your Own Data Governance Tools - Please provide questions and comments here
(in response to Joe Kirby)
Joe, completely agree. Robert said to reach out to him directly if
Dataversity does not make the deck and tools available in a couple of days.
Looking forward to adding this to my "why" toolkit as well.

*Jason M. Hare*
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jhare/
Skype: jason_hare
+1 9193232767
@jasonmhare


On Mon, Oct 21, 2019 at 10:54 AM Joe Kirby <
[login to unmask email]> wrote:

> I'm anxiously awaiting the email that has the tools available to look at
> more closely. I am part of a small organization and the non-invasive
> approach is hopefully the key to our success. We tried a tool several years
> ago, but we didn't really answer the 'why' and the tool was too complicated
> for our maturity level Defining what you really need before investing in
> tools seems to have the greatest chance for success. This has been much
> more challenging that I anticipated. Having a quality data governance
> process will immensely help our organization, but getting people that are
> swamped with work to step back and look at how it will benefit us is
> daunting. This is where the non-invasive approach with simple tools can
> help change the culture.
>
> -----End Original Message-----
>

Robert S Seiner

RE: RWDG Webinar - Build Your Own Data Governance Tools - Please provide questions and comments here
(in response to Jason Matthew Hare, CIP®, CDMP®, ITIL®, APM®)

Hi Folks, The email will be sent by DV sometime today although it may be later.

Interesting thread of discussion here. The tools and templates I described in the webinar are suggested for use when you are getting started and are primarily the tools of the Data Governance Administrator. Some of the tools will never reach capacity and therefore can be used throughout the life of your program. The tools in the acquired suites will address the wider audience and can take over once the program has developed legs. As far as tools to address the "why" and the "what", consider building a strong DG Communications Plan using the planning matrix I have shared in my webinars and presentations.

And consider this ... Organizations are investing a lot of money in the bright shiny objects - analytical platforms, digital transformations, agile system development, artificial intelligence ... and they will not achieve the level of ROI from these investments if the data (at the core of these investments) is ungoverned and untrusted. That is a solid  reason why to do DG.

Ray Diaz, CBIP, CDP, CSM, ICP-ATF

RE: RWDG Webinar - Build Your Own Data Governance Tools - Please provide questions and comments here
(in response to Robert S Seiner)

Good conversation team. 

My experience and speaking with other Governance Practitioners around the globe, has found that the big bang Data Governance 1.0 programs that require a large number of resources and start top down with the various councils with not much to show are dead. The road is littered with failed Data Governance programs, who's funding was cut because they were not able to demonstrate business value soon, including ones that started mostly as a toolset implementation, which I am not saying nor recommending. A Data Governance 2.0 program with a bottom up iterative approach can provide results sooner that leadership can see and understand. 

Organizations are realizing that they need a Data Governance program and they need it now for a large number of reasons including: Risk reduction and improved data security, necessary compliance including CCPA, GDPR, and HIPAA, and improved reporting and analytics. Not addressing these important issues quickly is a huge competitive risk for organizations.

Dresner Advisory Services 2019 Data Catalog Study stated "more organizations are acknowledging the significance of data governance. 79% of respondents said that they view governing content creation and sharing content as either “critical” or “very important” to their organizations; a figure that was up from 70% the year prior."

Today there is little patience for long ramp up times and to demonstrate that Data Governance can work at providing solutions for the organization. One of the big obstacles of not having a solid Governance platform early is that leadership cannot see and touch the concepts of governance and the deliverables that can be used by the SMEs, Stewards, and Consumers to improve the organization's processes with data. 

Yes, organizations are launching into the shiny objects of analytics, visualizations, AI, machine learning, and RPA without a viable Data Governance program that empowers the Data Management principles like Data Quality Management to be successful, at their own peril.

Not having a Governance platform soon in the program that can start ingesting and curating the metadata, linking it to the business glossary, and linking with the policies and data standards (and more) so it can be shared with the community and so they can execute with the data assets handicaps the program and can cause its demise. It's like running a marathon in bare feet without quality running shoes, ouch.

Organizations are seriously struggling in trying to manage their data assets with Google Docs and Sheets, Microsoft Word, Excel, and SharePoint and others. 

Disclaimer: I do not sell any software or platforms. 

Best regards on your exciting journey with Data Governance. Results Matter.

Jason Matthew Hare, CIP&#174;, CDMP&#174;, ITIL&#174;, APM&#174;

RWDG Webinar - Build Your Own Data Governance Tools - Please provide questions and comments here
(in response to Ray Diaz, CBIP, CDP, CSM, ICP-ATF)
Thank you Ray- this is something I have seen emerge over time- Dataversity
has a pretty good take on DG 2.0 that I am about to study. Peter Aiken also
has a new book out on Data Strategy and the Enterprise Executive. A lot of
good DG 2.0 stuff in there from other perspectives. I enjoy
reading comments from you and others in this community.

Best regards

*Jason M. Hare*
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jhare/
Skype: jason_hare
+1 9193232767
@jasonmhare


On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 9:06 AM Ray Diaz, CBIP, CDP, CSM, ICP-ATF <
[login to unmask email]> wrote:

> Good conversation team.
>
> My experience and speaking with other Governance Practitioners around the
> globe, has found that the big bang Data Governance 1.0 programs that
> require a large number of resources and start top down with the various
> councils with not much to show are dead. The road is littered with failed
> Data Governance programs, who's funding was cut because they were not able
> to demonstrate business value soon, including ones that started mostly as a
> toolset implementation, which I am not saying nor recommending. A Data
> Governance 2.0 program with a bottom up iterative approach can provide
> results sooner that leadership can see and understand.
>
> Organizations are realizing that they need a Data Governance program and
> they need it now for a large number of reasons including: Risk reduction
> and improved data security, necessary compliance including CCPA, GDPR, and
> HIPAA, and improved reporting and analytics. Not addressing these important
> issues quickly is a huge competitive risk for organizations.
>
> Dresner Advisory Services 2019 Data Catalog Study stated "more
> organizations are acknowledging the significance of data governance. 79% of
> respondents said that they *view governing content creation and sharing
> content as either “critical” or “very important” to their organizations*;
> a figure that was up from 70% the year prior."
>
> Today there is little patience for long ramp up times and to demonstrate
> that Data Governance can work at providing solutions for the organization.
> One of the big obstacles of not having a solid Governance
> platform early is that leadership cannot see and touch the concepts of
> governance and the deliverables that can be used by the SMEs, Stewards, and
> Consumers to improve the organization's processes with data.
>
> Yes, organizations are launching into the shiny objects of analytics,
> visualizations, AI, machine learning, and RPA without a viable Data
> Governance program that empowers the Data Management principles like Data
> Quality Management to be successful, at their own peril.
>
> Not having a Governance platform soon in the program that can start
> ingesting and curating the metadata, linking it to the business glossary,
> and linking with the policies and data standards (and more) so it can be
> shared with the community and so they can execute with the data assets
> handicaps the program and can cause its demise. It's like running a
> marathon in bare feet without quality running shoes, ouch.
>
> Organizations are seriously struggling in trying to manage their data
> assets with Google Docs and Sheets, Microsoft Word, Excel, and SharePoint
> and others.
>
> Disclaimer: I do not sell any software or platforms.
>
> Best regards on your exciting journey with Data Governance. Results Matter.
>
> -----End Original Message-----
>

Robert S Seiner

RE: RWDG Webinar - Build Your Own Data Governance Tools - Please provide questions and comments here
(in response to Ray Diaz, CBIP, CDP, CSM, ICP-ATF)

This may be a surprise to you all ... but let's stir things up a little. :)

I am not a believer in Data Governance 1.0 and 2.0 ... etc. I was never one who thought that Data Governance 1.0 "starts with a big bang, requires a large number of resources and starts top down with the various councils with not much to show". The Non-Invasive Data Governance approach emphasizes "right-sizing" and does not require a large number of resources. The focus is on formalizing accountability for data based on people's relationships to the data. Maybe Non-Invasive Data Governance was really Data Governance 2.0 before there was such a thing.  Thoughts?

BTW ... Whatever happened to Data Warehousing 2.0, Metadata 2.0 ... 

Jason Matthew Hare, CIP&#174;, CDMP&#174;, ITIL&#174;, APM&#174;

RWDG Webinar - Build Your Own Data Governance Tools - Please provide questions and comments here
(in response to Robert S Seiner)
Hi Robert- you and Ray both make great points and given the presentation I
just saw by Peter Aiken it does seem we are in the middle of formalizing
our practice. In the past, as a web developer, I bristled at "web 2.0". I
saw a rapid iteration of practices and standards. Some standards stuck
around and some became footnotes. Point taken on DG 2.0. I do see some
rapid evolution in expectations per what Ray posted. I am not sure my
current customers would get the fine nuances between 1.0 and 2.0. What I
see on the ground is still defining "why" and what makes or breaks a
thriving DG practice is the communication plan and follow up training.
Added to this evengelizing that everyone is a data steward of some type.
Modeling the data steward procedures and roles is one of the activities
where definitely one size does not fit all.

Too bad these conversations don't get any continuing education credits.

*Jason M. Hare*
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/jhare/
Skype: jason_hare
+1 9193232767
@jasonmhare


On Tue, Oct 22, 2019 at 10:02 AM Robert S Seiner <
[login to unmask email]> wrote:

> This may be a surprise to you all ... but let's stir things up a little. :)
>
> I am not a believer in Data Governance 1.0 and 2.0 ... etc. I was never
> one who thought that Data Governance 1.0 "starts with a big bang, requires
> a large number of resources and starts top down with the various councils
> with not much to show". The Non-Invasive Data Governance approach
> emphasizes "right-sizing" and does not require a large number of resources.
> The focus is on formalizing accountability for data based on people's
> relationships to the data. Maybe Non-Invasive Data Governance was really
> Data Governance 2.0 before there was such a thing. Thoughts?
>
> BTW ... Whatever happened to Data Warehousing 2.0, Metadata 2.0 ...
>
> -----End Original Message-----
>

Ray Diaz, CBIP, CDP, CSM, ICP-ATF

RE: RWDG Webinar - Build Your Own Data Governance Tools - Please provide questions and comments here
(in response to Jason Matthew Hare, CIP®, CDMP®, ITIL®, APM®)

Jason, I really like learning from you and Robert, since collibration is the path to success. Helping move governance from Theory to Practice here are some notes.

The evolution from Data Governance 1.0 to Data Governance 2.0 has helped shake past perceptions, introducing a collaborative approach. But to ensure the collaborative take on data governance is implemented properly, an organization must settle on a common definition.

Data Governance 2.0 as defined by Forrester, it is “an agile approach to data governance focused on just enough controls for managing risk, which enables broader and more insightful use of data required by the evolving needs of an expanding business ecosystem.” The principles of Data Governance 2.0 were designed with modern, data-driven business in mind. This new approach acknowledges the demand for collaborative data governance, tears down organizational silos, and spreads responsibilities across more roles. Data Governance 2.0 involves the entire enterprise, including department heads and C-level executives, who stand to benefit from data insights gained throughout the process.

My points are echoed here:
"For some organizations, the biggest hurdle in implementing a new data governance initiative or strengthening an existing one is support from business leaders. Its value can be hard to demonstrate to those who don’t work directly with data and metadata on a daily basis." - Zak Cole

"Data Governance 2.0 is a combination of people, process, and technology that precisely articulates the data domains and assets that are critical to the enterprise (high risk and/or high value), defines the baseline of where the enterprise is today in managing the data (data ownership, data quality, data readiness), defines the target state of where the organization needs to be, orchestrates pragmatic ownership and asset management processes that efficiently fits in the organizational structure and culture, relentlessly monitors utilization and value, and course corrects without dogma when needed."

"Successful data governance requires more than just getting a bunch of analytics folks together in a room. It takes real investment in time, money, and resources. Budget needs to be set aside for the right software, of course. Then it also takes time to create the level of definition—attributes of data—that will make the effort successful. That definition must include things like templates, data layers, and ownership of the tag management system. The more definition the governance team is able to create, the more successful they are going to be." - Jason Fishbain, chief data officer, University of Wisconsin at Madison. 

Ray Diaz, CBIP, CDP, CSM, ICP-ATF

RE: RWDG Webinar - Build Your Own Data Governance Tools - Please provide questions and comments here
(in response to Robert S Seiner)

Robert, yes please stir things up. Out of the sludge comes the valuable nuggets of treasure, lol. 

I use the general terms of DG 1.0 and 2.0 to make distinctions of known segments of knowledge and illustrate the evolution of governance made by some others in the industry as I quoted in Jason's response. 

DG 1.0 Big Bang is what most of the large consulting firms delivered to most organizations that I've known and have spoken to in the last few years, and for the ones that tried to implement these programs, most failed - too much time and too much money!

I articulated DG 2.0 in my response to Jason and am working at defining it further and helping implementing it, I see 2.0 as a collaborative and non-invasive framework.

I like what you have done and are doing with your Non-Invasive Data Governance body of knowledge and your voice of reason in this domain. I would love for you to analyze and present what if any differences are between DG 2.0 and Non-Invasive Data Governance body of knowledge. 

Data Governance is truly ambiguous term to most levels within organizations that look at you with glossy eyes when you mention the importance of DG. Our job it to explain and help them implement the reality of it. 

BTW, DW 2.0, The Architecture for the Next Generation of Data Warehousing designed by Bill (W.H.) Inmon is still alive and well. I bought the book. I look at Data Lakes as the new generation 2.0 of data warehouses, lol.

Michelle Knight

RE: RWDG Webinar - Build Your Own Data Governance Tools - Please provide questions and comments here
(in response to Robert S Seiner)

Hi, I saw multiple discussions and threads here. I copied them to 2 new topics with the intent to make it easier for new people, to the conversation, to look for responses to a specific question/topic. I hope it helps.

I found the slides for the webinar here: https://www.dataversity.net/rwdg-slides-build-your-own-data-governance-tools-2/